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:: I agree that this is an issue. One solution might be to change Interwicket (special case). Another solution might be to add redirects between the two kinds of apostrophes on en.wiktionary (and on all other wiktionaries as well), and that all interwiki bots accept links to redirects for wiktionaries. [[Utilisateur:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 26 avril 2009 à 06:33 (UTC) |
:: I agree that this is an issue. One solution might be to change Interwicket (special case). Another solution might be to add redirects between the two kinds of apostrophes on en.wiktionary (and on all other wiktionaries as well), and that all interwiki bots accept links to redirects for wiktionaries. [[Utilisateur:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 26 avril 2009 à 06:33 (UTC) |
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:: Also note that ’ is the '''normal''' character to be used as a typographic apostrophe (whatever the name it may have in standards...) [[Utilisateur:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 26 avril 2009 à 06:33 (UTC) |
:: Also note that ’ is the '''normal''' character to be used as a typographic apostrophe (whatever the name it may have in standards...) [[Utilisateur:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 26 avril 2009 à 06:33 (UTC) |
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::: It may be "normal" for French, but it is ''wrong'' in English. The entry here at (for example) [[wasn’t]], is incorrect, as an English word it should be at [[wasn't]]. (English keyboards don't ''have'' [[’]] ;-) |
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::: It would be possible to "special case" this just for the French wikt, but there are many many special cases overall. Please see [[:en:User:Interwicket/redirects]]. What we should do is enable linking to redirects on all wikts, and then all of the special cases can be handled as needed. (In this special case other wikts would either use ’ (U+2019) for French words, or redirect them to the usual ASCII apostrophe, as they prefer.) |
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::: And do note that this is the proper function of redirects in wikis, we just need to allow the interwiki links to use them; not linking to redirects was an extremely poor design decision (before my time) [[Utilisateur:Robert Ullmann|Robert Ullmann]] 28 avril 2009 à 04:29 (UTC) |
Version du 28 avril 2009 à 04:29
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Stéphane8888 discuter 26 janvier 2009 à 16:49 (UTC)
- Merci! Robert Ullmann 26 janvier 2009 à 17:13 (UTC)
- Si tu es Robert Ullmann, pourquoi ne t'inscrits-tu pas sous ce nom --Szyx 26 janvier 2009 à 23:57 (UTC)
- Ullmann est mon seigneur et maître. Il regarde le football, je travaille. Interwicket 31 janvier 2009 à 08:41 (UTC)
- Oui il s'agit d'un robot qui ajoute les inter-wiki. Quelque chose de très utile, je pense. PS les liens inter-langue n'ont pas marché, je les supprime, donc. Mglovesfun 31 janvier 2009 à 14:11 (UTC)
- Ullmann est mon seigneur et maître. Il regarde le football, je travaille. Interwicket 31 janvier 2009 à 08:41 (UTC)
- Si tu es Robert Ullmann, pourquoi ne t'inscrits-tu pas sous ce nom --Szyx 26 janvier 2009 à 23:57 (UTC)
Speed of bot
Hi, is the bot working at full speed yet? I've had a look through its edits and it seems to be doing really well. Mglovesfun 11 février 2009 à 14:09 (UTC)
- Yes, I have flags on most of the big wikts, including fr. Sometimes I have to make edits on 20 or 30 different wikts for one title. ::I'm looking for titles that have lots of mismatched links, either missing or not symmetrical. And watching recent changes on all the wikts. Ullmann, he watches me work. Interwicket 11 février 2009 à 16:48 (UTC)
- It seems to have slowed down at lot, Spacybirdybot is adding more interwikis than Wicket is. Mglovesfun 19 février 2009 à 21:35 (UTC)
- Oui, I am debugging a new control sequence. Should be faster, once it stops failing ;-). The objective is to catch all missing links, not just those on pages that already have links or are new. And integrate into one task. In the meantime, birdy can do some ... Robert Ullmann
- It seems to have slowed down at lot, Spacybirdybot is adding more interwikis than Wicket is. Mglovesfun 19 février 2009 à 21:35 (UTC)
Wrong behaviour of robot?
This robot changed in French "cardan" page:
-en:gimbal +en:cardan
but "gimbal" is English for French "cardan"
English "cardan" page only mentions Spanish verb "cardar"
So it looks like there's an extreme confusion here... How can we change that?
Or is that normal behaviour? Are those left-side links for *homonyms* or for *translations*? MathsPoetry 1 avril 2009 à 18:53 (UTC)
- No this is correct, it's not like Wikipedia. Interwicket only adds inter-wikis for pages that are identical. So jouer links to jouer and not to play, spielen, jugar, etc. Mglovesfun 1 avril 2009 à 18:58 (UTC)
- Traduction : Non c'est déjà bon, ce n'est pas comme on le fait sur Wikipédia. Interwicket n'ajoute les inter-wikis que pour les pages strictement identiques. Donc jouer a un lien pour jouer, et non pas play, spielen, jugar, etc. Mglovesfun 1 avril 2009 à 18:58 (UTC)
- Oups je sais pas pourquoi je cause ici en anglais moi (grosse fatigue !). OK, j'ai fait une bêtise, je vais rectifier, merci pour ces précisions et pardon pour le dérangement. MathsPoetry 1 avril 2009 à 19:03 (UTC)
- Ah ben si, je sais pourquoi j'ai écrit en anglais : l'intervention précédente est dans la langue de Shakespeare ! MathsPoetry 1 avril 2009 à 19:05 (UTC)
Interwicket and typographic apostrophe
Hi, I see Interwicket removed link of comme d’habitude (see here). It removes it because english article uses non typographic apostrophe whereas french article use typographic apostrophe. Can you correct it ? Pamputt [Discuter] 3 avril 2009 à 08:05 (UTC)
- Aren't we the only Wiktionary to use that? Also, is there one on a QWERTY keyboard, as I have to copy and paste one every time I need one. Mglovesfun 3 avril 2009 à 09:40 (UTC)
- Yes, this is the only wikt to use it. (English) QWERTY keyboards only have ' (and, amusingly, `) but not ’. It seems very odd to me to use RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK for an apostrophe... (Yes, in rendering/typesetting. But in content? ;-)
- See en:User:Interwicket/redirects for a discussion of this and many other issues. The English wikt links to redirects, but here the default is as it was, to not link to redirects, however useful. (Gerard was adamant that linking to them was somehow wrong (?), and unilaterally imposed that attitude on all the wikts while running RobotGMwikt.) There are quite a few cases of differing conventions between wikts; it isn't possible to compensate in code, it would involve a large and endlessly growing series of exceptions and special cases. (;-)
- Also by using the redirects the local convention for any given entry can simple be changed around at will.
- Note that the entry in the en.wikt en:comme d'habitude, which does link to redirects, has an iwiki that properly arrives at the entry here.
- If you add a link to the redirect on the English wikt, Interwicket will not remove it, but the other interwiki bots will. (Which is why they are prohibited from running on the en.wikt, so as not to remove the links to fr.wikt redirects, etc, etc) Robert Ullmann 3 avril 2009 à 12:09 (UTC)
- Could you please ignore the difference between ' and ’ here on French Wiktionary? That surely causes a problem. Not all language versions have pages with ’, and Interwicket deletes interwiki links again and again. That is really annoying. — TAKASUGI Shinji (d) 26 avril 2009 à 01:40 (UTC)
- I agree that this is an issue. One solution might be to change Interwicket (special case). Another solution might be to add redirects between the two kinds of apostrophes on en.wiktionary (and on all other wiktionaries as well), and that all interwiki bots accept links to redirects for wiktionaries. Lmaltier 26 avril 2009 à 06:33 (UTC)
- Also note that ’ is the normal character to be used as a typographic apostrophe (whatever the name it may have in standards...) Lmaltier 26 avril 2009 à 06:33 (UTC)
- It may be "normal" for French, but it is wrong in English. The entry here at (for example) wasn’t, is incorrect, as an English word it should be at wasn't. (English keyboards don't have ’ ;-)
- It would be possible to "special case" this just for the French wikt, but there are many many special cases overall. Please see en:User:Interwicket/redirects. What we should do is enable linking to redirects on all wikts, and then all of the special cases can be handled as needed. (In this special case other wikts would either use ’ (U+2019) for French words, or redirect them to the usual ASCII apostrophe, as they prefer.)
- And do note that this is the proper function of redirects in wikis, we just need to allow the interwiki links to use them; not linking to redirects was an extremely poor design decision (before my time) Robert Ullmann 28 avril 2009 à 04:29 (UTC)
- If you add a link to the redirect on the English wikt, Interwicket will not remove it, but the other interwiki bots will. (Which is why they are prohibited from running on the en.wikt, so as not to remove the links to fr.wikt redirects, etc, etc) Robert Ullmann 3 avril 2009 à 12:09 (UTC)